that is the other big thing. if we don't get a debt deal we might get higher interest rates which will hurt job growth so it is a pretty rough situation. jon: some of the countries like germany, didn't stimulate like we did and still came out of this pretty well, right? >> they did. germany is a actually a very good example of that. look at some of the other european countries not in such good shape. we heard talking about a moment ago will we turn into the next greece? there are key difference what we have as an advantage versus what is going on in europe. to me is interest rates. our interest rates is very, very low here. that is why the debt debate is very important debate. if we come through it and we don't have a deal by august 2nd we will have higher interest rates. that is what is going on a in europe. that is very difficult for them to borrow money. we can still borrow at very low rate. that is one of the advantages. there is question how long that will be there for. jon: when you read the numbers it is h